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you're probably right, brian, but i've actually been doing it for years - 
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t's not a matter of ambition! ever since i was in high school i haven't 
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en *able* to eat breakfast, and have been operating on 2 meals a day. my 
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ig problem is seconds... and if i go out to eat (which used to be frequent)=
, the high-fat 3-course meal. turning down the option for an appetizer 
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dessert is a new experience for me ;)

thanks Reinhard for the suggestions - i'll keep working on it and am trying=
a Very Wee third meal.

and big congratulations to those who are losing!

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On 5/23/04 at 9:25 AM Brian Delaney wrote:

>Dear Group
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>In the book "Intuitive Eating" by Evelyn Tribole, she recommends going 
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>longer than 5 hours without food. Apparently, when we eat a meal, the 
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>stores up the glucose for slow release into the blood, but can only do 
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>for around that length of time. I know I just couldn't go on two meals 
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>day, I'd be famished!
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>Sounds like torture.
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>Love, Brian
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>From: Reinhard Engels <beautiful_idiot@...>
>Reply-To: 
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [nosdiet] emotional eating -- Me too
>Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 05:39:33 -0700 (PDT)
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>Hi Risa,
>
>I'm sorry to hear about your joint problem. As far as
>exercise goes, I don't know how to begin to advise
>you.
>
>It seems to me the psychology of emotional eating goes
>something like this: "Food is a reward. It's the
>simplest, most basic kind of reward. The good kid gets
>the cookie. So now I'm stressed and depressed. I feel
>lousy about myself. But if I give myself a reward,
>then I must have done something good, right? If I give
>myself the effect, then maybe the cause will follow."
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>This is irrational, of course, but you can see how
>your subconscious might be wired to believe this.
>What's the trick to getting around it? I don't think
>mere conscious awareness will do it for most people
>(though it's a start). I think you need a replacement
>reward. If you can walk or exercise, that's best. If
>not, a healthy or harmless food/drink reward seems
>like the best alternative. I think you're on track
>with the carrot and lemon water. It may take some
>experimenting to come up with just the right reward
>for you.
>
>I would strongly consider 3 vs. 2 meals. I think two
>meals is overly ambitious and perhaps not even a good
>in itself. Giving yourself the full 3 means no "well
>I've only had 2" excuses for emotional eating. It
>might nip it in the bud, before it becomes a problem.
>
>Less isn't necessarily better. Consider the following
>quote from that Harvard article I linked to regarding
>the Amish:
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>"The French explanation for why Americans are so big
>is simple," said Jody Adams, chef/partner of Rialto, a
>restaurant in Harvard Square, speaking at the Oldways
>conference. "We eat lots of sugar, and we eat between
>meals. In France, no one gets so fat as to sue the
>restaurant!" Indeed, the national response to our glut
>of comestibles is apparently to eat only one meal a
>day=97all day long. We eat everywhere and at all times:
>at work, at play, and in transit. "Japanese cars=97the
>ones sold in Japan=97don't have drink holders," New York
>Times health columnist Jane Brody said at the Oldways
>conference. "The Japanese don't eat and drink in their
>cars."
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>http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/050465.html
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>Best of luck, and keep bugging us if you're having
>trouble,
>
>Reinhard
>
>--- lupa <lupa@...> wrote:
> > um
> > *embarrassed face*
> > actually, walking is part of the problem.
> >
> > i've been trying to get steady exercise but i have a
> > serious structural problem with most of my joints -
> > hips being the worst. therefore, any kind of
> > physical activity can cause shooting pains (meaning
> > i don't know when or where or how it'll happen, but
> > when it does happen it's bad), and if the intensity
> > of the shooting pains is high enough it causes a
> > corresponding intense emotional trigger that can
> > last for hours, subsequently causing grinding of
> > teeth yadda yadda. the joint problem/pain is its
> > own thing i've been going to multiple drs and
> > allopaths for several years now to fix; it's the
> > emotional response i'm trying to damp down, since
> > that lasts so much longer than the pain does.
> > physical therapy exercises aren't too intensive, so
> > i need *something* to help.
> >
> > i've been trying the carrots option offered here -
> > it helps a little. i'm also trying to drink a lot
> > more water. i sometimes put lime or lemon juice in
> > it. i'm also buying mass amt's of pickles, since
> > they have a minimal calorie load. debating going to
> > three meals, at 12:45 / 6 / random needed pm time
> > instead of my original 12:30 / 8:30 plan.
> >
> > still working on it - was sort of hoping someone had
> > a better idea than i'd had ;)
> >
> > ~risa
> >
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> > On 5/20/2004 at 6:53 AM Reinhard Engels wrote:
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> > >Emotional eating (eating because you're stressed or
> > >depressed) is a little like emotional marksmanship
> > --
> > >not a good idea. Try this instead: emotional
> > exercise.
> > >Nothing fancy, necessarily, just a little walk will
> > >do. Doesn't have to be a safari, around the block a
> > >few times is sufficient. Don't groan and ignore me
> > >just yet. Consider:
> > >
> > >1) how the eating just makes you more depressed and
> > >stressed (and fat).
> > >
> > >2) how a little walk does the opposite. And this
> > isn't
> > >the only benefit: you have leisure to *think* about
> > >whatever is stressing or depressing you. Because
> > >walking irrationally makes you happy (both because
> > of
> > >the sense that you are moving towards a destination
> > >and because of the endorphins or whatever) you are
> > >more likely to find a solution or pep yourself up
> > than
> > >you would be with mere stationary thinking.
> > >
> > >Don't plead lack of time. Just get yourself out of
> > the
> > >house. As for how long your walk should be, make
> > that
> > >decision once your feet are in motion. You're in no
> > >condition to think properly, even about as little a
> > >thing as this, cooped up inside next to the
> > >refrigerator.
> > >
> > >Reinhard
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