Everyday Systems: nosdiet: message 313 of 3212

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Hi Dan,

I respect your knowledge, and I would like you to comment on how much 
you meant about the characterization of "useless" to describe the 

classic floor movements many trainers use for ab development. Again, 
I can believe they may not do as much good as most people think, but 
I would have never guessed they were utterly "useless".

Secondly, can you tell us that doing the shovelglove exercises is all 
most people would need to develop "ripped" abs? Of course, fat loss 

is already assumed- but in terms of developing a "six pack", would an 

average person like myself need to start doing something extra over 
and above shovelglove?